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No, the British did not steal $45 trillion from India

This is an updated copy of the version on BadHistory. I plan to update it in accordance with the feedback I got.
I'd like to thank two people who will remain anonymous for helping me greatly with this post (you know who you are)
Three years ago a festschrift for Binay Bhushan Chaudhuri was published by Shubhra Chakrabarti, a history teacher at the University of Delhi and Utsa Patnaik, a Marxist economist who taught at JNU until 2010.
One of the essays in the festschirt by Utsa Patnaik was an attempt to quantify the "drain" undergone by India during British Rule. Her conclusion? Britain robbed India of $45 trillion (or £9.2 trillion) during their 200 or so years of rule. This figure was immensely popular, and got republished in several major news outlets (here, here, here, here (they get the number wrong) and more recently here), got a mention from the Minister of External Affairs & returns 29,100 results on Google. There's also plenty of references to it here on Reddit.
Patnaik is not the first to calculate such a figure. Angus Maddison thought it was £100 million, Simon Digby said £1 billion, Javier Estaban said £40 million see Roy (2019). The huge range of figures should set off some alarm bells.
So how did Patnaik calculate this (shockingly large) figure? Well, even though I don't have access to the festschrift, she conveniently has written an article detailing her methodology here. Let's have a look.
How exactly did the British manage to diddle us and drain our wealth’ ? was the question that Basudev Chatterjee (later editor of a volume in the Towards Freedom project) had posed to me 50 years ago when we were fellow-students abroad.
This is begging the question.
After decades of research I find that using India’s commodity export surplus as the measure and applying an interest rate of 5%, the total drain from 1765 to 1938, compounded up to 2016, comes to £9.2 trillion; since $4.86 exchanged for £1 those days, this sum equals about $45 trillion.
This is completely meaningless. To understand why it's meaningless consider India's annual coconut exports. These are almost certainly a surplus but the surplus in trade is countered by the other country buying the product (indeed, by definition, trade surpluses contribute to the GDP of a nation which hardly plays into intuitive conceptualisations of drain).
Furthermore, Dewey (2019) critiques the 5% interest rate.
She [Patnaik] consistently adopts statistical assumptions (such as compound interest at a rate of 5% per annum over centuries) that exaggerate the magnitude of the drain
Moving on:
The exact mechanism of drain, or transfers from India to Britain was quite simple.
Convenient.
Drain theory possessed the political merit of being easily grasped by a nation of peasants. [...] No other idea could arouse people than the thought that they were being taxed so that others in far off lands might live in comfort. [...] It was, therefore, inevitable that the drain theory became the main staple of nationalist political agitation during the Gandhian era.
- Chandra et al. (1989)
The key factor was Britain’s control over our taxation revenues combined with control over India’s financial gold and forex earnings from its booming commodity export surplus with the world. Simply put, Britain used locally raised rupee tax revenues to pay for its net import of goods, a highly abnormal use of budgetary funds not seen in any sovereign country.
The issue with figures like these is they all make certain methodological assumptions that are impossible to prove. From Roy in Frankema et al. (2019):
the "drain theory" of Indian poverty cannot be tested with evidence, for several reasons. First, it rests on the counterfactual that any money saved on account of factor payments abroad would translate into domestic investment, which can never be proved. Second, it rests on "the primitive notion that all payments to foreigners are "drain"", that is, on the assumption that these payments did not contribute to domestic national income to the equivalent extent (Kumar 1985, 384; see also Chaudhuri 1968). Again, this cannot be tested. [...] Fourth, while British officers serving India did receive salaries that were many times that of the average income in India, a paper using cross-country data shows that colonies with better paid officers were governed better (Jones 2013).
Indeed, drain theory rests on some very weak foundations. This, in of itself, should be enough to dismiss any of the other figures that get thrown out. Nonetheless, I felt it would be a useful exercise to continue exploring Patnaik's take on drain theory.
The East India Company from 1765 onwards allocated every year up to one-third of Indian budgetary revenues net of collection costs, to buy a large volume of goods for direct import into Britain, far in excess of that country’s own needs.
So what's going on here? Well Roy (2019) explains it better:
Colonial India ran an export surplus, which, together with foreign investment, was used to pay for services purchased from Britain. These payments included interest on public debt, salaries, and pensions paid to government offcers who had come from Britain, salaries of managers and engineers, guaranteed profts paid to railway companies, and repatriated business profts. How do we know that any of these payments involved paying too much? The answer is we do not.
So what was really happening is the government was paying its workers for services (as well as guaranteeing profits - to promote investment - something the GoI does today Dalal (2019), and promoting business in India), and those workers were remitting some of that money to Britain. This is hardly a drain (unless, of course, Indian diaspora around the world today are "draining" it). In some cases, the remittances would take the form of goods (as described) see Chaudhuri (1983):
It is obvious that these debit items were financed through the export surplus on merchandise account, and later, when railway construction started on a large scale in India, through capital import. Until 1833 the East India Company followed a cumbersome method in remitting the annual home charges. This was to purchase export commodities in India out of revenue, which were then shipped to London and the proceeds from their sale handed over to the home treasury.
While Roy's earlier point argues better paid officers governed better, it is honestly impossible to say what part of the repatriated export surplus was a drain, and what was not. However calling all of it a drain is definitely misguided.
It's worth noting that Patnaik seems to make no attempt to quantify the benefits of the Raj either, Dewey (2019)'s 2nd criticism:
she [Patnaik] consistently ignores research that would tend to cut the economic impact of the drain down to size, such as the work on the sources of investment during the industrial revolution (which shows that industrialisation was financed by the ploughed-back profits of industrialists) or the costs of empire school (which stresses the high price of imperial defence)

Since tropical goods were highly prized in other cold temperate countries which could never produce them, in effect these free goods represented international purchasing power for Britain which kept a part for its own use and re-exported the balance to other countries in Europe and North America against import of food grains, iron and other goods in which it was deficient.
Re-exports necessarily adds value to goods when the goods are processed and when the goods are transported. The country with the largest navy at the time would presumably be in very good stead to do the latter.
The British historians Phyllis Deane and WA Cole presented an incorrect estimate of Britain’s 18th-19th century trade volume, by leaving out re-exports completely. I found that by 1800 Britain’s total trade was 62% higher than their estimate, on applying the correct definition of trade including re-exports, that is used by the United Nations and by all other international organisations.
While interesting, and certainly expected for such an old book, re-exporting necessarily adds value to goods.
When the Crown took over from the Company, from 1861 a clever system was developed under which all of India’s financial gold and forex earnings from its fast-rising commodity export surplus with the world, was intercepted and appropriated by Britain. As before up to a third of India’s rising budgetary revenues was not spent domestically but was set aside as ‘expenditure abroad’.
So, what does this mean? Britain appropriated all of India's earnings, and then spent a third of it aboard? Not exactly. She is describing home charges see Roy (2019) again:
Some of the expenditures on defense and administration were made in sterling and went out of the country. This payment by the government was known as the Home Charges. For example, interest payment on loans raised to finance construction of railways and irrigation works, pensions paid to retired officers, and purchase of stores, were payments in sterling. [...] almost all money that the government paid abroad corresponded to the purchase of a service from abroad. [...] The balance of payments system that emerged after 1800 was based on standard business principles. India bought something and paid for it. State revenues were used to pay for wages of people hired abroad, pay for interest on loans raised abroad, and repatriation of profits on foreign investments coming into India. These were legitimate market transactions.
Indeed, if paying for what you buy is drain, then several billions of us are drained every day.
The Secretary of State for India in Council, based in London, invited foreign importers to deposit with him the payment (in gold, sterling and their own currencies) for their net imports from India, and these gold and forex payments disappeared into the yawning maw of the SoS’s account in the Bank of England.
It should be noted that India having two heads was beneficial, and encouraged investment per Roy (2019):
The fact that the India Office in London managed a part of the monetary system made India creditworthy, stabilized its currency, and encouraged foreign savers to put money into railways and private enterprise in India. Current research on the history of public debt shows that stable and large colonies found it easier to borrow abroad than independent economies because the investors trusted the guarantee of the colonist powers.

Against India’s net foreign earnings he issued bills, termed Council bills (CBs), to an equivalent rupee value. The rate (between gold-linked sterling and silver rupee) at which the bills were issued, was carefully adjusted to the last farthing, so that foreigners would never find it more profitable to ship financial gold as payment directly to Indians, compared to using the CB route. Foreign importers then sent the CBs by post or by telegraph to the export houses in India, that via the exchange banks were paid out of the budgeted provision of sums under ‘expenditure abroad’, and the exporters in turn paid the producers (peasants and artisans) from whom they sourced the goods.
Sunderland (2013) argues CBs had two main roles (and neither were part of a grand plot to keep gold out of India):
Council bills had two roles. They firstly promoted trade by handing the IO some control of the rate of exchange and allowing the exchange banks to remit funds to India and to hedge currency transaction risks. They also enabled the Indian government to transfer cash to England for the payment of its UK commitments.

The United Nations (1962) historical data for 1900 to 1960, show that for three decades up to 1928 (and very likely earlier too) India posted the second highest merchandise export surplus in the world, with USA in the first position. Not only were Indians deprived of every bit of the enormous international purchasing power they had earned over 175 years, even its rupee equivalent was not issued to them since not even the colonial government was credited with any part of India’s net gold and forex earnings against which it could issue rupees. The sleight-of-hand employed, namely ‘paying’ producers out of their own taxes, made India’s export surplus unrequited and constituted a tax-financed drain to the metropolis, as had been correctly pointed out by those highly insightful classical writers, Dadabhai Naoroji and RCDutt.
It doesn't appear that others appreciate their insight Roy (2019):
K. N. Chaudhuri rightly calls such practice ‘confused’ economics ‘coloured by political feelings’.

Surplus budgets to effect such heavy tax-financed transfers had a severe employment–reducing and income-deflating effect: mass consumption was squeezed in order to release export goods. Per capita annual foodgrains absorption in British India declined from 210 kg. during the period 1904-09, to 157 kg. during 1937-41, and to only 137 kg by 1946.
Dewey (1978) points out reliability issues with Indian agriculutural statistics, however this calorie decline persists to this day. Some of it is attributed to less food being consumed at home Smith (2015), a lower infectious disease burden Duh & Spears (2016) and diversified diets Vankatesh et al. (2016).
If even a part of its enormous foreign earnings had been credited to it and not entirely siphoned off, India could have imported modern technology to build up an industrial structure as Japan was doing.
This is, unfortunately, impossible to prove. Had the British not arrived in India, there is no clear indication that India would've united (this is arguably more plausible than the given counterfactual1). Had the British not arrived in India, there is no clear indication India would not have been nuked in WW2, much like Japan. Had the British not arrived in India, there is no clear indication India would not have been invaded by lizard people, much like Japan. The list continues eternally.
Nevertheless, I will charitably examine the given counterfactual anyway. Did pre-colonial India have industrial potential? The answer is a resounding no.
From Gupta (1980):
This article starts from the premise that while economic categories - the extent of commodity production, wage labour, monetarisation of the economy, etc - should be the basis for any analysis of the production relations of pre-British India, it is the nature of class struggles arising out of particular class alignments that finally gives the decisive twist to social change. Arguing on this premise, and analysing the available evidence, this article concludes that there was little potential for industrial revolution before the British arrived in India because, whatever might have been the character of economic categories of that period, the class relations had not sufficiently matured to develop productive forces and the required class struggle for a 'revolution' to take place.
A view echoed in Raychaudhuri (1983):
Yet all of this did not amount to an economic situation comparable to that of western Europe on the eve of the industrial revolution. Her technology - in agriculture as well as manufacturers - had by and large been stagnant for centuries. [...] The weakness of the Indian economy in the mid-eighteenth century, as compared to pre-industrial Europe was not simply a matter of technology and commercial and industrial organization. No scientific or geographical revolution formed part of the eighteenth-century Indian's historical experience. [...] Spontaneous movement towards industrialisation is unlikely in such a situation.
So now we've established India did not have industrial potential, was India similar to Japan just before the Meiji era? The answer, yet again, unsurprisingly, is no. Japan's economic situation was not comparable to India's, which allowed for Japan to finance its revolution. From Yasuba (1986):
All in all, the Japanese standard of living may not have been much below the English standard of living before industrialization, and both of them may have been considerably higher than the Indian standard of living. We can no longer say that Japan started from a pathetically low economic level and achieved a rapid or even "miraculous" economic growth. Japan's per capita income was almost as high as in Western Europe before industrialization, and it was possible for Japan to produce surplus in the Meiji Period to finance private and public capital formation.
The circumstances that led to Meiji Japan were extremely unique. See Tomlinson (1985):
Most modern comparisons between India and Japan, written by either Indianists or Japanese specialists, stress instead that industrial growth in Meiji Japan was the product of unique features that were not reproducible elsewhere. [...] it is undoubtably true that Japan's progress to industrialization has been unique and unrepeatable
So there you have it. Unsubstantiated statistical assumptions, calling any number you can a drain & assuming a counterfactual for no good reason gets you this $45 trillion number. Hopefully that's enough to bury it in the ground.
1. Several authors have affirmed that Indian identity is a colonial artefact. For example see Rajan 1969:
Perhaps the single greatest and most enduring impact of British rule over India is that it created an Indian nation, in the modern political sense. After centuries of rule by different dynasties overparts of the Indian sub-continent, and after about 100 years of British rule, Indians ceased to be merely Bengalis, Maharashtrians,or Tamils, linguistically and culturally.
or see Bryant 2000:
But then, it would be anachronistic to condemn eighteenth-century Indians, who served the British, as collaborators, when the notion of 'democratic' nationalism or of an Indian 'nation' did not then exist. [...] Indians who fought for them, differed from the Europeans in having a primary attachment to a non-belligerent religion, family and local chief, which was stronger than any identity they might have with a more remote prince or 'nation'.

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He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.

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Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.


Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.

He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.

His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.

He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.


Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.

He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.

His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.

He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.

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Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.


Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.

He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.

His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.

He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Kishore M Future1Coin

Kishore M ( B.COM , MBA, CEP (IIT), ADSM) worked in Silicon Valley, he is an Ex-Hedge Fund Manager, Ex-Director of Global Blockchain foundation Global Blockchain Foundation, Founder of Future1coin a Crowdfunding Catalyst Company, Founder of WEBT a Blockchain Events & Training Company, Founder of Champion Traders Academy a FX & Crypto Academy, Founder of Future1Exchange a P2P Crypto Exchange. He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.
Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.
Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.
He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.
His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.
He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Kishore M Scam real or fake?

Kishore M ( B.COM , MBA, CEP (IIT), ADSM) worked in Silicon Valley, he is an Ex-Hedge Fund Manager, Ex-Director of Global Blockchain foundation Global Blockchain Foundation, Founder of Future1coin a Crowdfunding Catalyst Company, Founder of WEBT a Blockchain Events & Training Company, Founder of Champion Traders Academy a FX & Crypto Academy, Founder of Future1Exchange a P2P Crypto Exchange. He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.
Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.
Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.
He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.
His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.
He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Kishore M Future1Exchange

Kishore M ( B.COM , MBA, CEP (IIT), ADSM) worked in Silicon Valley, he is an Ex-Hedge Fund Manager, Ex-Director of Global Blockchain foundation Global Blockchain Foundation, Founder of Future1coin a Crowdfunding Catalyst Company, Founder of WEBT a Blockchain Events & Training Company, Founder of Champion Traders Academy a FX & Crypto Academy, Founder of Future1Exchange a P2P Crypto Exchange. He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.
Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.
Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.
He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.
His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.
He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Kishore M Founder of Future 1 Coin

Kishore M ( BCOM, MBA, CEP (IIT), ADSM) worked in Silicon Valley, he is an Ex-Hedge Fund Manager, Founder of www.future1exchange.com a Crypto Exchange, Founder of www.future1coin.com a Crowdfunding Catalyst Company, Founder of www.worldblockchainevents.com a Blockchain Events & Training Company, Founder of www.championtradersacademy.com a FX & Crypto Academy, Founder of www.crowdfundjunction.com a Blockchain Advisory Company. He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.
Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.
Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.
He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.
His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.
He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Kishore M Founders Junction

Kishore M ( B.COM , MBA, CEP (IIT), ADSM) worked in Silicon Valley, he is an Ex-Hedge Fund Manager, Ex-Director of Global Blockchain foundation Global Blockchain Foundation, Founder of Future1coin a Crowdfunding Catalyst Company, Founder of WEBT a Blockchain Events & Training Company, Founder of Champion Traders Academy a FX & Crypto Academy, Founder of Future1Exchange a P2P Crypto Exchange. He has over a decade of experience in the Stock, CFD, Forex, ADR’s, Commodities, Index, Futures, Options & Cryptocurrency. He received his Master in Business Administration from Institute for Technology and Management in association/collaboration with Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, USA earlier known as New Hampshire College, Mastering Alternative Investments Certificate from INSEAD Campus in Singapore, his certificate in Computer Network & Internet Applications Course(CEP) from IIT Kharagpur and his Advance Diploma in Computer Systems Management from NIIT.
Kishore Mansinghani is a certified Investment Representative, ETS Derivatives Qualified Trader. He is trained by Chicago Board of Exchange and Pacific Stock Exchange Members in Derivatives Instruments on Options & Futures Trading and educated in Derivatives instruments from the University of California Berkeley (Ext), USA.
Kishore M started his career with a Securities Broking Firm on the OTCEI Exchange and subsequently worked in USA (Silicon Valley) with Asia-Tech a B2B Marketplace and then started his own hedge fund in Singapore. He has conducted Stock & Derivatives seminars for International Brokers such as REFCO based in Singapore and Regional brokers such as CIMB based in Malaysia.
He has been featured in Singapore Stock Exchange Magazine, Indonesia (JawaPos) & Middle East Newspaper (Khaleej Times) and has also been featured in Bloomberg TV, BBC, Malaysia Business TV Channel & Singapore Channel NewsAsia, News Radio 93.8 FM, Asian Banker Journal, and on Global Hedge Fund websites such as Hedge fund Center, HedgeWeek, HedgeFund Research and Hedge Funds World.
His Entrepreneurial skills had won him the TII status(Technopreneur Investment Incentive Status) from the EDB Singapore Government. He is a member of TiE Silicon Valley world’s leading tech entrepreneurs network and one of the most sought-after speakers for entrepreneurship, capital markets, derivatives, cryptocurrency, and Alternative Investment.
He is a Strategy advisor to companies planning their token offering and offers tokenomics & blockchain development consultancy. He also provides Forex, Derivatives & Cryptocurrency workshop to senior corporate management teams, Broking Houses and Derivative Exchanges Members and conducts Financial Markets & Digital Currency Seminars to public audiences across Asia & Middle East. He has trained over 50,000 participants in 10 countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines, London etc) in the area of alternative investments, some of his participants include professionals from ABN AMRO Bank, RHB Securities, AMEX, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Citibank, Doha Bank, CIMB Securities, Manfinancial, REFCO, DBSVICKERS, CSFB, UOB Bank. Under his proprietary trading company Future Capital Holdings, he has a performance track record of 99.05% return (2003-2004) and 233.13% return (2003-2005) attested & certified by Auditors.
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Looking back 18 months.

I was going through old emails today and came across this one I sent out to family on January 4, 2018. It was a reflection on the 2017 crypto bull market and where I saw it heading, as well as some general advice on crypto, investment, and being safe about how you handle yourself in cryptoland.
I feel that we are on the cusp of a new bull market right now, so I thought that I would put this out for at least a few people to see *before* the next bull run, not after. While the details have changed, I don't see a thing in this email that I fundamentally wouldn't say again, although I'd also probably insist that people get a Yubikey and use that for all 2FA where it is supported.
Happy reading, and sorry for some of the formatting weirdness -- I cleaned it up pretty well from the original email formatting, but I love lists and indents and Reddit has limitations... :-/
Also, don't laught at my token picks from January 2018! It was a long time ago and (luckliy) I took my own advice about moving a bunch into USD shortly after I sent this. I didn't hit the top, and I came back in too early in the summer of 2018, but I got lucky in many respects.
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan-4, 2018
Hey all!
I woke up this morning to ETH at a solid $1000 and decided to put some thoughts together on what I think crypto has done and what I think it will do. *******, if you could share this to your kids I’d appreciate it -- I don’t have e-mail addresses, and it’s a bit unwieldy for FB Messenger… Hopefully they’ll at least find it thought-provoking. If not, they can use it as further evidence that I’m a nutjob. 😉
Some history before I head into the future.
I first mined some BTC in 2011 or 2012 (Can’t remember exactly, but it was around the Christmas holidays when I started because I had time off from work to get it set up and running.) I kept it up through the start of summer in 2012, but stopped because it made my PC run hot and as it was no longer winter, ********** didn’t appreciate the sound of the fans blowing that hot air into the room any more. I’ve always said that the first BTC I mined was at $1, but looking back at it now, that’s not true – It was around $2. Here’s a link to BTC price history.
In the summer of 2013 I got a new PC and moved my programs and files over before scrapping the old one. I hadn’t touched my BTC mining folder for a year then, and I didn’t even think about salvaging those wallet files. They are now gone forever, including the 9-10BTC that were in them. While I can intellectually justify the loss, it was sloppy and underlines a key thing about cryptocurrency that I believe will limit its widespread adoption by the general public until it is addressed and solved: In cryptoland, you are your own bank, and if you lose your password or account number, there is no person or organization that can help you reset it so that you can get access back. Your money is gone forever.
On April 12, 2014 I bought my first BTC through Coinbase. BTC had spiked to $1000 and been in the news, at least in Japan. This made me remember my old wallet and freak out for a couple of months trying to find it and reclaim the coins. I then FOMO’d (Fear Of Missing Out”) and bought $100 worth of BTC. I was actually very lucky in my timing and bought at around $430. Even so, except for a brief 50% swing up almost immediately afterwards that made me check prices 5 times a day, BTC fell below my purchase price by the end of September and I didn’t get back to even until the end of 2015.
In May 2015 I bought my first ETH at around $1. I sent some guy on bitcointalk ~$100 worth of BTC and he sent me 100 ETH – all on trust because the amounts were small and this was a small group of people. BTC was down in the $250 range at that point, so I had lost 30-40% of my initial investment. This was of the $100 invested, so not that much in real terms, but huge in percentages. It also meant that I had to buy another $100 of BTC on Coinbase to send to this guy. A few months after I purchased my ETH, BTC had doubled and ETH had gone down to $0.50, halving the value of my ETH holdings. I was even on the first BTC purchase finally, but was now down 50% on the ETH I had bought.
The good news was that this made me start to look at things more seriously. Where I had skimmed white papers and gotten a superficial understanding of the technology before FOMO’ing, I started to act as an investor, not a speculator. Let me define how I see those two different types of activity:
So what has been my experience as an investor? After sitting out the rest of 2015 because I needed to understand the market better, I bought into ETH quite heavily, with my initial big purchases being in March-April of 2016. Those purchases were in the $11-$14 range. ETH, of course, dropped immediately to under $10, then came back and bounced around my purchase range for a while until December of 2016, when I purchased a lot more at around $8.
I also purchased my first ICO in August of 2016, HEAT. I bought 25ETH worth. Those tokens are now worth about half of their ICO price, so about 12.5ETH or $12500 instead of the $25000 they would be worth if I had just kept ETH. There are some other things with HEAT that mean I’ve done quite a bit better than those numbers would suggest, but the fact is that the single best thing I could have done is to hold ETH and not spend the effort/time/cost of working with HEAT. That holds true for about every top-25 token on the market when compared to ETH. It certainly holds true for the many, many tokens I tried to trade in Q1-Q2 of 2017. In almost every single case I would have done better and slept better had I just held ETH instead of trying to be smarter than Mr. Market.
But, I made money on all of them except one because the crypto market went up more in USD terms than any individual coin went down in ETH or BTC terms. This underlines something that I read somewhere and that I take to heart: A rising market makes everyone seem like a genius. A monkey throwing darts at a list of the top 100 cryptocurrencies last year would have doubled his money. Here’s a chart from September that shows 2017 year-to-date returns for the top 10 cryptocurrencies, and all of them went up a *lot* more between then and December. A monkey throwing darts at this list there would have quintupled his money.
When evaluating performance, then, you have to beat the monkey, and preferably you should try to beat a Wall Street monkey. I couldn’t, so I stopped trying around July 2017. My benchmark was the BLX, a DAA (Digital Asset Array – think fund like a Fidelity fund) created by ICONOMI. I wasn’t even close to beating the BLX returns, so I did several things.
  1. I went from holding about 25 different tokens to holding 10 now. More on that in a bit.
  2. I used those funds to buy ETH and BLX. ETH has done crazy-good since then and BLX has beaten BTC handily, although it hasn’t done as well as ETH.
  3. I used some of those funds to set up an arbitrage operation.
The arbitrage operation is why I kept the 11 tokens that I have now. All but a couple are used in an ETH/token pair for arbitrage, and each one of them except for one special case is part of BLX. Why did I do that? I did that because ICONOMI did a better job of picking long-term holds than I did, and in arbitrage the only speculative thing you must do is pick the pairs to trade. My pairs are (No particular order):
I also hold PLU, PLBT, and ART. These two are multi-year holds for me. I have not purchased BTC once since my initial $200, except for a few cases where BTC was the only way to go to/from an altcoin that didn’t trade against ETH yet. Right now I hold about the same 0.3BTC that I held after my first $100 purchase, so I don’t really count it.
Looking forward to this year, I am positioning myself as follows:
Looking at my notes, I have two other things that I wanted to work into this email that I didn’t get to, so here they are:
  1. Just like with free apps and other software, if you are getting something of value and you didn’t pay anything for it, you need to ask why this is. With apps, the phrase is “If you didn’t pay for the product, you are the product”, and this works for things such as pump groups, tips, and even technical analysis. Here’s how I see it.
    1. People don’t give tips on stocks or crypto that they don’t already own that stock or token. Why would they, since if they convince anyone to buy it, the price only goes up as a result, making it more expensive for them to buy in? Sure, you will have friends and family that may do this, but people in a crypto club, your local cryptocurrency meetup, or online are generally not your friends. They are there to make money, and if they can get you to help them make money, they will do it. Pump groups are the worst of these, and no matter how enticing it may look, stay as far away as possible from these scams. I even go so far as to report them when I see them advertise on FB or Twitter, because they are violating the terms of use.
    2. Technical analysis (TA) is something that has been argued about for longer than I’ve been alive, but I think that it falls into the same boat. In short, TA argues that there are patterns in trading that can be read and acted upon to signal when one must buy or sell. It has been used forever in the stock and foreign exchange markets, and people use it in crypto as well. Let’s break down these assumptions a bit.
i. First, if crypto were like the stock or forex markets we’d all be happy with 5-7% gains per year rather than easily seeing that in a day. For TA to work the same way in crypto as it does in stocks and foreign exchange, the signals would have to be *much* stronger and faster-reacting than they work in the traditional market, but people use them in exactly the same way.
ii. Another area where crypto is very different than the stock and forex markets centers around market efficiency theory. This theory says that markets are efficient and that the price reflects all the available information at any given time. This is why gold in New York is similar in price to gold in London or Shanghai, and why arbitrage margins are easily <0.1% in those markets compared to cryptoland where I can easily get 10x that. Crypto simply has too much speculation and not enough professional traders in it yet to operate as an efficient market. That fundamentally changes the way that the market behaves and should make any TA patterns from traditional markets irrelevant in crypto.
iii. There are services, both free and paid that claim to put out signals based on TA for when one should buy and sell. If you think for even a second that they are not front-running (Placing orders ahead of yours to profit.) you and the other people using the service, you’re naïve.
iv. Likewise, if you don’t think that there are people that have but together computerized systems to get ahead of people doing manual TA, you’re naïve. The guys that I have programming my arbitrage bots have offered to build me a TA bot and set up a service to sell signals once our position is taken. I said no, but I am sure that they will do it themselves or sell that to someone else. Basically they look at TA as a tip machine where when a certain pattern is seen, people act on that “tip”. They use software to see that “tip” faster and take a position on it so that when slower participants come in they either have to sell lower or buy higher than the TA bot did. Remember, if you are getting a tip for free, you’re the product. In TA I see a system when people are all acting on free preset “tips” and getting played by the more sophisticated market participants. Again, you have to beat that Wall Street monkey.
  1. If you still don’t agree that TA is bogus, think about it this way: If TA was real, Wall Street would have figured it out decades ago and we would have TA funds that would be beating the market. We don’t.
  2. If you still don’t agree that TA is bogus and that its real and well, proven, then you must think that all smart traders use them. Now follow that logic forward and think about what would happen if every smart trader pushing big money followed TA. The signals would only last for a split second and would then be overwhelmed by people acting on them, making them impossible to leverage. This is essentially what the efficient market theory postulates for all information, including TA.
OK, the one last item. Read this weekly newsletter – You can sign up at the bottom. It is free, so they’re selling something, right? 😉 From what I can tell, though, Evan is a straight-up guy who posts links and almost zero editorial comments.
Happy 2018.
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ERIC HO FRAUD

This post was created as I felt compelled to share my experience with Eric Ho's mentorship program that I'd signed up to, along with about 10 other mentees and paid £12,000 each for 1-year program. To provide authenticity of my account, I have provided PROOF of the receipt, plus his "up sell" to other programs, and how he boots people out at the end and there is no more contacts with him whatsoever. I have also found other website, where people have complaining and have lost money, like I had done. I will post the link below in the message, and it shows Eric Ho's company details from Gov.uk's Companies House, which are not worth what he claims, in fact many are in debt & closed down..
 
Here, I CHALLENGE Eric Ho to comment below this post if he thinks this is an unfair account, as he commented on his Facebook saying how this is not a true reflection of his program... I can provide PROOFs of all the accounts & experience detailed here, from other ex-mentees and how we'd all suffered and lost our savings, with no real value in the end... and if I can provide these proofs, will Eric Ho refund all our payments? Come on Eric Ho, I challenge you.. If you are honest, you should be able to take up this challenge than just comment in your FB..
 
First, see a link below, for the proof that I was his ex-mentee, so my details below comes from after going through his mentorship program, and it shows further proofs of "up sell", and how he booted everyone out in the end, and how we were only given 7-days to ask for our refund or else your payment is vanished!! And how is anyone suppose to know within 7-days that the mentorship was not a valuable program and it was full of "motivation" rally within a week of signing up?? See: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QT9POxakgkIrXFEQN8uS4VqtEcD08F89
  See other people complain about Eric Ho's scam, and John Lee, and their method, which is just telling stories after stories and showing pictures of their success and cars (some outside the car show room) and claiming to be very successful, when they are not... company house record shows average financial statement.. https://www.propertytribes.com/eric-ho-t-127631542.html
 
Eric Hor, was introduced in one of John Lee's of Wealth Dragon seminar. There were bunch of us in the mentee group, mainly women who seemed vulnerable and naive i.e single mothers and old ladies. Eric Ho operates from his website, erichoofficial.com & hakademy.com.
 
Eric Ho promised a lots of things prior to signing up to his program and he promised all the mentees that he would help them to launch their business and in many cases, collaborate with his existing business and provide a platform and contacts to leverage our business... hence, paying £12,000 is worth it, in fact its cheap! However, it was far from that.. It became obvious after a few months, and until this point, it was all "motivational" stuffs i.e. meeting up with the group of mentees for dinner and drinks after one of his seminars in London and during these meet ups it was mainly him posting live videos on YouTube with bunch of mentees for his own marketing campaign (to show people what a good time we are all having and to get Likes and Shares). However, secretly many of his mentees were suffering as we forked out £1000 monthly towards his program and it was costing us more than our monthly mortgage payment!
 
Time goes fast, you set appointment with Eric whenever he is in London, but he sees all of his mentees after his 2-3 days seminar, where he is tired after long event, so it's rushed through as only 30mins appointment, and given generic advices and he is seeing mentees one after another.. During this appointments you go there and wait, he is talking to another mentee, then your turn comes, as you start the meeting, you see the anotehr mentee waiting for you to finish the meeting... so Eric Ho is in a rush to see you off. Hence, advices are given on the spot... He even forgets the last conversation you've had with him and repeats many comments / feedback that was given in the last appointment, as he sees all the mentees + new followers (to sign them up for his program) on that day... the new followers are far more important to him as they are a potential leads for another 12k per person and since we've already paid our fees and locked in the contract... we are a less priority for him. He forgets the action plan you had discussed with him in the last meeting and its clear that he cannot keep track of all his mentees seeing one after another after his long 2-3 days seminar event... He is very tired and gives you generic marketing advice. And when you make progress or need some suggestions from Eric Ho, our "mentor", he is out out of the country, somewhere overseas, posting videos from the beach about his luxurious lifestyle, flying business class flights and showing off his latest branded watch! and you are there stuck and unable to contact him or in the best case you receive a messages on Wats App. And that’s all...
 
You wait for him to return, but then you see another video from another part of the world, again, marketing himself and his seminars, and his new gadgets or a catchy video title and image of him and his latest girlfriend. Talking about his girlfriend.. he keeps using them in his video, to get likes and views, then after a year or so, there's a new girl and the old one is never seen again! And his new girlfriends are the seminar audience! At this time you start to doubt if Eric is serious about business. A true business man, a mentor should be there for you and know and care abot your business as much as you do.... not posting 5 videos, and 10 selfie a day! Think about it people.. his mind is occupied by social media posts and videos, and all he wants is NEW leads so he can generate additional fees... once you have paid, you are yesterdays newspaper to him..... You true business personnel dont act like this i.e. Fortune 500 companies executives, FTSE 250 leaders don’t act like a child showing off their new toys on a social media with his cars, watches, house etc.. Its unbearable as you begin to wonder that your payment is actually funding his lifestyle and his latest gadgets, and you are cant even reach him!
 
You begin to wonder and talk to other mentees and they all feel the same but no one dares to confront him as he is "so nice" and always so "positive" talking about "motivational stuffs", a sage, guru, who acts like one of those religious cult figures that brain washes people and builds up followers for his ulterior motive. The key here is, get likes and shares from Facebook, Insta, YouTube etc.. then get them to attend the seminar and then use classical sales technique i.e. "one day offer only" and sign them up for 12 months contract, where you can only ask for refund within 7 days (terms) and its impossible to know that you wont get any value within 7 days, so now you are locked in the contract and if you miss payment, Eric Ho and John Lee (Wealth Dragon) will send you red letter to take you to Debt Recovery and send bailiff to your house... and they have in-house lawyers workling for them, who emails you warning you of the consequences.... then you get worried and also have no time to go to the court and pay additional fee to solicitors not knowing you might lose more money because you have signed the contract... so you keep quite and pay the 12k!!! "Its numbers game" as they say... for example, get 100 likes and views, from that, get 20 people to seminar, then get 1 person to sign up and lock in 12 months contract... thats 12k! Now multiply this by few hundreds and thousands, then there you have it.. About 30-40 mentees a year, plus now "UP SELL" their other products, i.e. Public speaking, Forex, Property investments, Heath & Fitness, Spiritual mind etc.... thats their game! And make you bankrupt!!
 
By the way, if you want to learn Public Speaking, then just join your local Toastmasters club, where you will only pay between £50-£60 for 6 months!! with every 2 x weeks meetings, it will cost you more or less the same price of a coffee/tea per meeting. Toastmasters is everywhere, almost in every country. I have now completed almost my 10th speech. One thing about Public speaking is, its not a skill you obtained by attending a weekend or week long training that Eric Hor and John Lee is offering.. you must attend regularly every 2-3 weeks, even if you miss some meetings (that don't matter), to develop your skills. It's developed and built over time - not by attending short trainings on weekends or week-long program paying thousands of pounds/dollars. So dont be fool, don't pay Eric Hor and John Lee. Public speaking skills is like any other skills you learn, whether sports, or your regular exercise. If you stop going to gym for few months... what happens? Same with public speaking... you must attend regularly for at least 6-months to a 1-year.. then you develop skills + see other speakers do it, which you will pick up subconsciously, and when you step up to do your speech.. you will naturally exhibit skills (that you had picked up by watching other speakers on a regular basis by going to these meetings).. also, for every speech, you are given a detailed guide, as to how to structure it i.e. bullet points, linking between these points, and how to put a capturing opening and conclusive closing of your speech. You will also learn how to use body language, vocal variety, include research information in some speeches, which really helps professionals wanting to do great presentation for their work etc. And you become better at it, over time. You can never learn this over a weekend intensive course or week long course. Once you go through the Toastmasters club, the process will stay with you forever - just like driving a car or bike. So save you money from these fraudsters and join Toastmasters International club, which has nearly 16,000 clubs worldwide. You will also learn to take leadership roles as these two skills go hand in hand. Check out: toastmasters.org and click on "Find a club".
 
Eric Ho uses uses a traditional sales technique as he takes you through an emotional ride by sharing his stories, and others stories, and then says that he wants to work with "entrepreneurs" and he is looking to "invest" in the right business and "collaborate" with them, and this makes you feel like signing up to his mentorship, and it could perhaps, provide that opportunity to launch your business. With that mindset, he lures you towards him and when he offers the "1-day only" sales offer, at the end of the seminar to sign up, you do it! But there is no plan, no accountability, no real business expertise provided, except FULL of motivational stuffs, which you can nowadays watch on YouTube and feel the same or better. All you get is his regular get together for dinner and drink (which you have to pay yourself btw), and again, his posts on YouTube video promotions with all the mentee group for marketing to show what a good time we are having. Who will rant or show sad face on the video (live)?
I was in a group, where there was single mothers and some of them borrowed money from their parents to sign up to Eric's mentorship so she can make her business successful. She promised to pay back to her parents but it never happened as her parents passed away, before she could make any money. And Eric didn't even share the 50% profit that she had generated through her sales i.e. webinar sign-up consulting therapy work, after getting some leads from one of the webinar Eric had sets up. It takes her 3 months to get her 50% share. She even cried in one of our meet ups and shared her story. Another lady, Psychologist, that signed up, she spoke on the Eric's stage few times, she was very happy, got her to give him fantastic testimonial, she changed her title to "international speaker", and time goes fast... soon it was 12-months and she was crying in one of Eric's seminar at the back stage because it only hit her that she hasn't made her money back but paid 12k! Eric saw her cry, he knew WHY! as others try to sooth her, but he went on the stage and did his gig! There was no remorse nor any sympathy...... yet he acts like he feeds those childred in Kenya! Oh by the way, it was told that this charity is not his set up... it was existing orphanage and they would work with anyone that give them donation and you can put that in your business as a social enterprise business. And why wouldn't they accept donation for such purpose?
 
Another mentee, similar type of business, didn't get anything i.e. 50% commission, so he stopped asking after few times and completely dis-engaged with Eric and stopped talking completely after about 6-months in the program.
 
Eric lied to another mentee suggesting that he will use his product in his existing business to collaborate with him and launh his product in his YoYo Noodles bars, which Eric supposedly owns. He signed up to it, but it never happened and when he asked to Eric about it, after few months of developing a product and brand, Eric simply said that he had already sold his noodle franchise business. So he can't help him! However, it turned out to be a plain lie as Eric still owned the business and he was participating in Franchise trade shows later that year. He still owns this YoYo Noodle franchise and can be easily seen in Google search.
 
Another mentee couldn't afford the fees, so she was called by their staff called Marcos from Wealth Dragon, a big spanish bull dog that looks like a bouncer but acts like a motivational guru himself until you miss 1-payment! He acted like a bully when she didn't pay on time and this mentee, was already in debt and Marcos advised her to take loans from her credit cards as she would easily recoup that money anyway from the program, and when she was unable to keep up the payment to Eric, after few months, she was instantly kicked out without any notice and blocked from the Wats App and Facebook group. That’s when we saw the real Eric Ho.., not so nice and kind as he appears to be on the stage and videos and showing off his charity work in Kenya... Oh yeah, once you are mentee, you will get a "special deal" to volunteer and go to Kenya with him to do this charity work and the price you pay on a special deal is much more expensive than you would have booked a ticket and accomodation and gone by yourself... Another "upsell" like his books, like the upcoming seminar tickets, some "hero" seminar, but the principal is same.. motivation and emotional roller coaster stories and "upsell" another product.. there were few guys who finished all their savings by keep buying into these programs.. One nurse lady, single, in her 50s, spent more than 30k in all of their seminars, combined with, mentorship, forex, property, public speaking etc.. all her life time saving, all that over time she did.... tut tut.
 
There is nothing special or no real expertise offered in business by Eric Ho because all the advice is generic and 90% are motivational. And since all motivational in YouTube videos are sourced from Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich book and the Power of Law of Attraction book etc. The 99% of the motivational gurus use these techniques to elaborate and explain their stories and persuade and convince audience to excite and take action.. And take action you will, by paying £12,000 for 1-year of generic advice and about 5 to 7 appointment with him (since he is out of the country more than half of the year giving seminars)... so how can you meet him possibly even if you want to........ Have you ever noticed that 99% of his previous mentees are completely out of the picture or out of touch after 1-year... ever wonder why? Because it finally sinks into them that it was all bullsh!t and they lost their money! Deep down inside in their heart, they know they lost their money, and there was nothing they could do after 7-day no refund policy!
 
If you, readers, want a motivation then I suggest you go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who revolutionized this game. And it is unfair how Eric Ho and John Lee do it... because they excite audiences through emotional story telling method, where their seminars are held for 2-3 days, long hours, deliberately making the audience tired and making it harder for us to think clearly and decide carefully, and prompting audience to say "yes" to many of rhetorical questions and multiples "hi5" among audiences and then encourage audience by stating they want “joint venture”, “partnerships” with only few select entrepreneurs and the offer is for "today only" sale price, and saying how Eric is only looking for only few partners only so its not for everyone (making it sound exclusive)! And he only wants few mentees only because he already has few of them already... That makes it exclusive and people sign up..... but after few months in the next seminar, he says the same thing and sign more mentees... and from different countries and it all becomes one big "social" group... hence, he loses track in 1 to 1 meetings of your progress and business plan.... and offers motivational advices only.
 
The contract states that you cannot ask for refund after 7-days but its hard to know, for anyone, within 7-days, what value you are getting esp. when the guy is flying around the world giving seminars when, ideally, you want a business mentor that can support you and give your advice in the time of need and hardship, not while he is posting videos of his latest gadget and business flight travels, which you, the mentees, had funded!! The irony is that, Eric present himself as the best son in the world to his parents, giving his father and mother a luxury watches and presents, when his parents, DONT know that its funded by these mentees who have worked hard to save up their money all their life and are paying £12,000! And some have really struggled to put that money together. I recall after a day or two of the seminar, both John Lee and Eric Ho, challenges the audience to see if they can raise money from their banks, friends and families and challenges everyone to make phone call during lunch break and see how much they can possibly raise…… during that day, it stays like that…. But its only until tomorrow or last day, when the offer for the “sale price for today only” is given and subconsciously the audience feels confident to take this offer because they were able to get loans or friends/family were willing to lend them a day before... see the trick??? These guys are experts, professionals in stealing your money!!! Vipers! Snakes! A bad name to Chinese/ Oriental community! A rotten tomatoes in the basket affecting all.
 
They are not different to those gurus, cult leaders, who builds followers and eventually brainwashes then and manipulate them.. its same technique! Eric Ho and John Lee builds followers from YouTube videos showing off gadgets, good lifestyle and happy mentees videos then you end up going to their seminar and hearing their well crafted and devised speeches, do activities, and make you feel they are great people, a guru and then challenging you to raise the money (from friends and family) then hooking you to buy their “sale price for today only” products. And to suck more out of you, there are many upsell in the pipeline...!
 
I saw many old ladies, retired ones, in their 60s running at the back of the room to sign up for a “LIMITED PLACES” only offers – without reading any terms and conditions! Some were signing up for Forex to use their special trading method to make unlimited amount of money whilst trading for half an hour a day! A pictures are shown of people being happy and drinking coffee and trading and making money! I think I should tell my investment banker friend in Canary Wharf to bring all their banker friends and his bosses and learn to trade so they can make all the money in the world in half an hour.... they don't have to invest millions in their sophesticated softwares that trades in micro-seconds and are competing with other banks and institutional investors!! No offence, but what do these retired ladies do to out-beat the investor bankers that uses latest tools, softwares, factors in speculations, world economy, politics, wars, currency fluctuation etc. etc.. Many of these ladies are old enough to be Eric's and John's mother! No mercy, no remorse! One mentee was charged double the normal price because she asked for 6-months extension in the mentorship, and she could not say anything about it..... but she shared her disappointment with us in the group.
 
Please people save your money, and if you are really need inspiration to do business then know one thing for sure...... all these types of motivation seminars are almost bullsh!t! If not ask any real business leaders from Fortune 500 or FTSE 250 companes...... and they will tell you what it really takes, and how competitive, dog eat dog world is out there...... thus the motivation part is only 5% of the business, the other 95% is pure hard work, grit, effort and sleepless nights......... to make it successful. Even that doesn't guarantee it! Almost every industry and sector have very high competition and innovations are quite rare, infrequent, and mainly big companies that invests heavily in Research & Development create it.... The money you need to invest to start the business costs almost double than your initial projection, and it takes twice a long than expected. You are alone, often questioning your own insanity at times, friends almost misunderstands you.... and once you have built your product or brand, then only you realise, you need more money to market it... and without marketing, there is no exposure and no one knows about it... so when you factor it all, the 12k you paid Eric Ho for motivation, was the money that you could have used for building your own business and marketing it...... now you are more broke than before and lack of money de-motivates and stops you from continuing to work on your start-up business. So not only Eric Ho has stolen your money but he has killed your dreams!
 
Please note, motivation gives you energy for temporary time only, maybe a month or two, then you go back to “default” that have built in you since your childhood! So how can one-off 2/3 days seminar change your “default”? It’s like trying to change a habit overnight. Can you? So, you can only change your “default” by consistently grinding through hard times and persevering and pushing through rejections and hard times... and having insatiable desire and hunger to succeed.. thus, only only few makes it? But if you need motivation, just go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who is probably best in the business. Not liars and hypocrite like Eric Ho and John Lee.
 
And if you really need mentor, you need go to real experts, which you can easily find on LinkedIn, industry publications, and surely you won’t have to pay 12k!!! You need experts from the industry you want to specialise in, and have contacts and networks with industry leaders, and can help you to raise finance, and be focused in you as much as you are working on your business, they push you, ask you hard questions, even gives you hard times and sometimes you hate him/her but after getting the results you want... you respect them! Thats the kind of mentor you want... what will Eric Ho and John Lee tell you? Motivate you? what about rest of the 95% grit. They hardly talk about it.. Can they introduce you to any Venture Capitalist? or Private Equity firm or Financial Institutions? Those professionals dislike motivational speakers and don’t even allow them in their circle, believe me! If you want join prestigious business clubs in London, check out London's Capital Club, Club house london, De Amstel Club, etc... and these clubs dont allow motivational gurus, if they find out they are trying to sell seminars or books etc, they are booted out! some clubs asks for your business’s revenue before joining... And these are the clubs where PE firms, VC, bankers, advisory firms i.e. 'Big 4' and 'Magic circle' professionals hang out! This is where you meet real business contacts! This is where you need to be, so they can pull you up to their bracket... not someone who is in your bracket and you have to pay 12k! Motivational gurus like Eric and John wont be allowed near that circle. They will be a laughing stock! Eric and John is just trying to ride off what Tony Robbins have achieved. He is one-off! I remember they said they want to go IPO on stock market! A motivational seminar company on stock market? In which security exchange? In Mars? What investment bank will represent them? In fact, their business is not sustaible in long term because anyone can be a motivational speaker with NLP courses and reading 100s of motivational books out there... you dont need any qualification! Thus, they are all over the YouTube now and ERic Ho and John Lee is getting competition, whether they like it or not!
 
So, find real expertise who can link you to bankers, lawyers, accountants, leading marketer, entrepreneurs.. NOT motivational speakers that post videos flashing their bling bling 3-5 times a day like a teenager! In fact, its so immature! I mean, Eric is like in his mid-30s and his girlfriend Marta (white girl) was a seminar attendee and Eric dumped his then girlfriend Jamie for Marta. And before Marta, the left Jamie for another attendee, her name is Trinity. But when she found out Eric was dating another seminar attendee Anna (with blond hair) she dumped him! All these girls pictures are in his FB, Insta, if you go back time... What’s sad is that Jamie still works for him, H Akademy, and have to face Eric and his new girlfriend... And Eric Ho has the heart to face her everyday with his new girlfriend in the same place. Its all over their social media... its sad! But that should tell you the credibility of the guy that you have to pay 12k!! Of course, I only came to know this all after a 1-year mentorship program and Eric was publicly (In Wats App group) arguing and fighting with another girl called Jadey, who worked for him but she left after realising everything...
A challenge will be find out how well his mentees have done in their business, besides the YouTube video testimonials, since they had taken up his program.. its hard to know their revenuce increase after few months of the program, so their company's financial statement before and after the program should be compared and validated.. Of course no one would do that... Any previous mentees up for that challenge? Well all his mentees disappear after 12 months and new arrivals are excited and buzzing every year… until they cool off at the end of the year, get kicked out from Wats App and FB group……… I hope some of those new mentee reads this and realises how it works with these con artists... Eric Ho is a fraud!
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What's the Stock Market? full guide.

The inventory market refers back to the assortment of markets and exchanges the place common actions of shopping for, promoting, and issuance of shares of publicly-held firms happen. Such monetary actions are performed by way of institutionalized formal exchanges or over-the-counter (OTC) marketplaces which function underneath an outlined set of laws. There may be a number of inventory buying and selling venues in a rustic or an area which permit transactions in shares and different types of securities.
Whereas each phrase - inventory market and inventory alternate - are used interchangeably, the latter time period is usually a subset of the previous. If one says that she trades within the inventory market, it implies that she buys and sells shares/equities on one (or extra) of the inventory alternate(s) which are a part of the general inventory market. The main inventory exchanges within the U.S. embrace the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE), Nasdaq, the Higher Different Buying and selling System (BATS). and the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE). These main nationwide exchanges, together with a number of different exchanges working within the nation, type the inventory market of the U.S.
Although it's known as an inventory market or fairness market and is primarily identified for buying and selling shares/equities, different monetary securities - like exchange-traded funds (ETF), corporate bonds and derivatives primarily based on shares, commodities, currencies, and bonds - are additionally traded within the inventory markets.

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Inventory Market

Understanding the Inventory Market

Whereas right this moment it's potential to buy nearly every part online, there's often a delegated marketplace for each commodity. For example, folks drive to metropolis outskirts and farmlands to buy Christmas bushes, go to the native timber market to purchase wooden and different obligatory materials for house furnishings and renovations, and go to shops like Walmart for his or her common grocery provides.
Such devoted markets function a platform the place quite a few patrons and sellers meet, work together and transact. For the reason that a variety of market individuals is large, one is assured of good worth. For instance, if there is just one vendor of Christmas bushes in your complete metropolis, he could have the freedom to cost any worth he pleases because the patrons gained’t have wherever else to go. If the variety of tree sellers is massive in a standard market, they must compete in opposition to one another to draw patrons. The patrons can be spoiled for selection with low- or optimum-pricing making it a good market with worth transparency. Even whereas buying online, patrons examine costs supplied by totally different sellers on the identical buying portal or throughout totally different portals to get one of the best offers, forcing the assorted online sellers to supply one of the best worth.
An inventory market is an identical designated marketplace for buying and selling numerous sorts of securities in a managed, safe and managed the atmosphere. For the reason that inventory market brings collectively a whole bunch of hundreds of market individuals who want to purchase and promote shares, it ensures honest pricing practices and transparency in transactions. Whereas earlier inventory markets used to situation and deal in paper-based bodily share certificates, the fashionable day computer-aided inventory markets function electronically.

How the Inventory Market Works

In a nutshell, inventory markets present a safe and controlled atmosphere the place market individuals can transact in shares and different eligible monetary devices with confidence with zero- to low-operational danger. Working underneath the outlined guidelines as acknowledged by the regulator, the inventory markets act as primary markets and as secondary markets.
As the main market, the inventory market permits firms to the situation and promote their shares to the wider public for the primary time by way of the method of initial public offerings (IPO). This exercise helps firms increase obligatory capital from traders. It primarily implies that an organization divides itself into quite a few shares (say, 20 million shares) and sells part of these shares (say, 5 million shares) to the wider public at a worth (say, $10 per share).
To facilitate this course of, an organization wants a market the place these shares may be offered. This market is offered by the inventory market. If every part goes as per the plans, the corporate will efficiently promote the 5 million shares at a worth of $10 per share and acquire $50 million value of funds. Traders will get the corporate shares which they will anticipate to carry for his or her most well-liked length, in anticipation of rising in share worth and any potential revenue within the type of dividend funds. The inventory alternate acts as a facilitator for this capital elevating course of and receives a charge for its providers from the corporate and its monetary companions.
Following the first-time share issuance IPO train known as the itemizing course of, the inventory alternate additionally serves because the buying and selling platform that facilitates common shopping for and promoting of the listed shares. This constitutes the secondary market. The inventory alternate earns a charge for each commerce that happens on its platform in the course of the secondary market exercise.
The inventory alternate shoulders the accountability of making certain price transparency, liquidity, price discovery and honest dealings in such buying and selling actions. As nearly all main inventory markets throughout the globe now function electronically, the alternate maintains buying and selling techniques that effectively handle the purchase and promote orders from numerous market individuals. They carry out the worth matching operate to facilitate commerce execution at a worth honest to each patron and sellers.
A listed firm can also supply new, extra shares by way of different choices at a later stage, like by way of rights issue or by way of follow-on offers. They could even buyback or delist their shares. The inventory alternate facilitates such transactions.
The inventory alternate usually creates and maintains numerous market-level and sector-specific indicators, just like the S&P 500 index or Nasdaq 100 index, which give a measure to trace the motion of the general market.
The inventory exchanges additionally preserve all firm information, bulletins, and monetary reporting, which may be often accessed on their official web sites. An inventory alternate additionally helps numerous different corporate-level, transaction-related actions. For example, worthwhile firms might reward traders by paying dividends which often comes from the part of the corporate’s earnings. The alternate maintains all such data and will assist its processing to a sure extent.

Features of an Inventory Market

An inventory market primarily serves the next features:
Truthful Dealing in Securities Transactions: Relying on the usual rules of demand and supply, the inventory alternate wants to make sure that all market individuals have instantaneous entry to information for all purchase and promote orders thereby serving to within the honest and clear pricing of securities. Moreover, it also needs to carry out environment-friendly matching of acceptable purchase and promote orders.
For instance, there could also be three patrons who've positioned orders for purchasing Microsoft shares at $100, $105 and $110, and there could also be 4 sellers who're keen to promote Microsoft shares at $110, $112, $115 and $120. The alternate (by way of their pc operated automated buying and selling techniques) wants to make sure that one of the best purchase and greatest promote are matched, which on this case is at $110 for the given amount of commerce.
Environment-friendly Value Discovery: Inventory markets must assist an environment-friendly mechanism for worth discovery, which refers back to the act of deciding the correct worth of a safety and is often carried out by assessing market provide and demand and different components related to the transactions.
Say, a U.S.-based software program firm is buying and selling at a worth of $100 and has a market capitalization of $5 billion. Information merchandise is available in that the EU regulator has imposed a wonderful of $2 billion on the corporate which primarily implies that 40 % of the corporate’s worth could also be worn out. Whereas the inventory market might have imposed a buying and selling worth vary of $90 and $110 on the corporate’s share worth, it ought to effectively change the permissible buying and selling worth restrict to accommodate for the potential adjustments within the share worth, else shareholders might battle to commerce at a good worth.
Liquidity Upkeep: Whereas getting the variety of patrons and sellers for a specific monetary safety are uncontrolled for the inventory market, it wants to make sure that whosoever is certified and keen to commerce will get instantaneous entry to position orders which ought to get executed on the honest worth.
Safety and Validity of Transactions: Whereas extra individuals are vital for environment-friendly working of a market, the identical market wants to make sure that all individuals are verified and stay compliant with the required guidelines and laws, leaving no room for default by any of the events. Moreover, it ought to make sure that all related entities working out there should additionally adhere to the principles, and work inside the authorized framework given by the regulator.
Help All Eligible Kinds of Contributors: A market is made by quite a lot of individuals, which embrace market makers, traders, merchants, speculators, and hedgers. All these individuals function within the inventory market with totally different roles and features. For example, an investor might purchase shares and maintain them for long run spanning a few years, whereas a dealer might enter and exit a place inside seconds. A market maker gives obligatory liquidity out there, whereas a hedger might prefer to commerce in derivatives for mitigating the danger concerned in investments. The inventory market ought to make sure that all such individuals are capable of function seamlessly fulfilling their desired roles to make sure the market continues to function effectively.
Investor Safety: Together with rich and institutional traders, a really massive variety of small traders are additionally served by the inventory marketplace for their small quantity of investments. These traders might have restricted monetary information, and will not be totally conscious of the pitfalls of investing in shares and different listed devices. The inventory alternate should implement obligatory measures to supply the required safety to such traders to protect them from monetary loss and guarantee buyer belief.
For example, an inventory alternate might categorize shares in numerous segments relying on their danger profiles and permit restricted or no buying and selling by widespread traders in high-risk shares. Derivatives, which have been described by Warren Buffett as monetary weapons of mass destruction, aren't for everybody as one might lose far more than they guess for. Exchanges usually impose restrictions to forestall people with restricted revenue and information from entering into dangerous bets of derivatives.
Balanced Regulation: Listed firms are largely regulated and their dealings are monitored by market regulators, just like the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) of the U.S. Moreover, exchanges additionally mandate sure necessities – like, well timed submitting of quarterly monetary stories and instantaneous reporting of any related developments - to make sure all market individuals grow to be conscious of company happenings. Failure to stick to the laws can result in the suspension of buying and selling by the exchanges and different disciplinary measures.

Regulating the Inventory Market

An area monetary regulator or competent financial authority or institute is assigned the duty of regulating the inventory market of a rustic. The Securities and Alternate Fee (SEC) is the regulatory physique charged with overseeing the U.S. inventory markets. The SEC is a federal company that works independently of the federal government and political strain. The mission of the SEC is acknowledged as: "to guard traders, preserve honest, orderly, and environment-friendly markets, and facilitate capital formation."

Inventory Market Contributors

Together with long-term traders and brief time period merchants, there are a lot of several types of gamers related to the inventory market. Everyone has a singular function, however, lots of the roles are intertwined and rely on one another to make the market run successfully.
  • Stockbrokers, also called registered representatives within the U.S., are the licensed professionals who purchase and promote securities on behalf of traders. The brokers act as intermediaries between the inventory exchanges and the traders by shopping for and promoting shares on the traders' behalf. An account with a retail dealer is required to realize entry to the markets.
  • Portfolio managers are professionals who make investments portfolios, or collections of securities, for purchasers. These managers get suggestions from analysts and make the purchase or promote choices for the portfolio. Mutual fund firms, hedge funds, and pension plans use portfolio managers to make choices and set the funding methods for the cash they maintain.
  • Investment bankers characterize firms in numerous capacities, comparable to personal firms that wish to go public through an IPO or firms which are concerned in pending mergers and acquisitions. They care for the itemizing course of in compliance with the regulatory necessities of the inventory market.
  • Custodian and depot service suppliers, that are establishment holding prospects' securities for safekeeping in order to reduce the danger of their theft or loss, additionally function in sync with the alternative to switch shares to/from the respective accounts of transacting events primarily based on buying and selling on the inventory market.
  • Market maker: A market maker is a broker-dealer who facilitates the buying and selling of shares by posting bid and ask costs together with sustaining a listing of shares. He ensures adequate liquidity out there for a specific (set of) share(s), and income from the distinction between the bid and the ask worth he quotes.

How Inventory Exchanges Make Cash

Inventory exchanges function as for-profit institutes and cost a charge for his or her providers. The first supply of revenue for these inventory exchanges are the revenues from the transaction charges which are charged for every commerce carried out on its platform. Moreover, exchanges earn income from the itemizing charge charged to firms in the course of the IPO course of and different follow-on choices.
The alternate additionally earn from promoting market information generated on its platform - like real-time information, historical information, abstract information, and reference information – which is significant for fairness analysis and different makes use of. Many exchanges will even promote know-how merchandise, like a buying and selling terminal and devoted community connection to the alternate, to the events for an acceptable charge.
The alternate might supply privileged providers like high-frequency trading to bigger purchasers like mutual funds and asset management companies (AMC), and earn cash accordingly. There are provisions for regulatory charge and registration charge for various profiles of market individuals, just like the market maker and dealer, which type different sources of revenue for the inventory exchanges.
The alternate additionally make income by licensing their indexes (and their methodology) that are generally used as a benchmark for launching numerous merchandise like mutual funds and ETFs by AMCs.
Many exchanges additionally present programs and certification on numerous monetary matters to trade individuals and earn revenues from such subscriptions.

Competitors for Inventory Markets

Whereas particular person inventory exchanges compete in opposition to one another to get most transaction quantity, they're dealing with menace on two fronts.
Darkish Swimming pools: Dark pools, that are personal exchanges or boards for securities buying and selling and function inside personal teams, are posing a problem to public inventory markets. Although their authorized validity is topic to native laws, they're gaining a reputation as individuals save massive on transaction charges.
Blockchain Ventures: Amid rising reputation of blockchains, many crypto exchanges have emerged. Such exchanges are venues for buying and selling cryptocurrencies and derivatives related to that asset class. Although their reputation stays restricted, they pose a menace to the standard inventory market mannequin by automating a bulk of the work completed by numerous inventory market individuals and by providing zero- to low-cost providers.

Significance of the Inventory Market

The inventory market is among the most significant parts of a free-market economic system.
It permits firms to lift cash by providing inventory shares and company bonds. It lets widespread traders take part within the monetary achievements of the businesses, make income by way of capital gains, and earn cash by way of dividends, though losses are additionally potential. Whereas institutional traders {and professional} cash managers do get pleasure from some privileges owing to their deep pockets, higher information and better danger taking skills, the inventory market makes an attempt to supply a stage taking part in subject to widespread people.
The inventory market works as a platform by way of which financial savings and investments of people are channelized into the productive funding proposals. In the long run, it helps in capital formation & financial progress for the nation.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • Inventory markets are very important parts of a free-market economic system as a result of they permit democratized entry to buying and selling and alternate of capital for traders of all types.
  • They carry out a number of features in markets, together with environment-friendly worth discovery and environment-friendly dealing.
  • Within the US, the inventory market is regulated by the SEC and native regulatory our bodies.

Examples of Inventory Markets

The primary inventory market on the planet was the London inventory alternate. It was begun in a coffeehouse, the place merchants used to satisfy to alternate shares, in 1773. The primary inventory alternate in the USA of America began in Philadelphia in 1790. The Buttonwood settlement, so named as a result of it was signed underneath a buttonwood tree, marked the beginnings of New York's Wall Avenue in 1792. The settlement was signed by 24 merchants and was the primary American group of its type to commerce in securities. The merchants renamed their enterprise as New York Inventory and Alternate Board in 1817.
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ERIC HO

This post was created as I felt compelled to share my experience with Eric Ho's mentorship program that I'd signed up to, along with about 10 other mentees and paid £12,000 each for 1-year program. To provide authenticity of my account, I have provided PROOF of the receipt, plus his "up sell" to other programs, and how he boots people out at the end and there is no more contacts with him whatsoever. I have also found other website, where people have complaining and have lost money, like I had done. I will post the link below in the message, and it shows Eric Ho's company details from Gov.uk's Companies House, which are not worth what he claims, in fact many are in debt & closed down..
 
Here, I CHALLENGE Eric Ho to comment below this post if he thinks this is an unfair account, as he commented on his Facebook saying how this is not a true reflection of his program... I can provide PROOFs of all the accounts & experience detailed here, from other ex-mentees and how we'd all suffered and lost our savings, with no real value in the end... and if I can provide these proofs, will Eric Ho refund all our payments? Come on Eric Ho, I challenge you.. If you are honest, you should be able to take up this challenge than just comment in your FB..
 
First, see a link below, for the proof that I was his ex-mentee, so my details below comes from after going through his mentorship program, and it shows further proofs of "up sell", and how he booted everyone out in the end, and how we were only given 7-days to ask for our refund or else your payment is vanished!! And how is anyone suppose to know within 7-days that the mentorship was not a valuable program and it was full of "motivation" rally within a week of signing up?? See: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QT9POxakgkIrXFEQN8uS4VqtEcD08F89
  See other people complain about Eric Ho's scam, and John Lee, and their method, which is just telling stories after stories and showing pictures of their success and cars (some outside the car show room) and claiming to be very successful, when they are not... company house record shows average financial statement.. https://www.propertytribes.com/eric-ho-t-127631542.html
 
Eric Hor, was introduced in one of John Lee's of Wealth Dragon seminar. There were bunch of us in the mentee group, mainly women who seemed vulnerable and naive i.e single mothers and old ladies. Eric Ho operates from his website, erichoofficial.com & hakademy.com.
 
Eric Ho promised a lots of things prior to signing up to his program and he promised all the mentees that he would help them to launch their business and in many cases, collaborate with his existing business and provide a platform and contacts to leverage our business... hence, paying £12,000 is worth it, in fact its cheap! However, it was far from that.. It became obvious after a few months, and until this point, it was all "motivational" stuffs i.e. meeting up with the group of mentees for dinner and drinks after one of his seminars in London and during these meet ups it was mainly him posting live videos on YouTube with bunch of mentees for his own marketing campaign (to show people what a good time we are all having and to get Likes and Shares). However, secretly many of his mentees were suffering as we forked out £1000 monthly towards his program and it was costing us more than our monthly mortgage payment!
 
Time goes fast, you set appointment with Eric whenever he is in London, but he sees all of his mentees after his 2-3 days seminar, where he is tired after long event, so it's rushed through as only 30mins appointment, and given generic advices and he is seeing mentees one after another.. During this appointments you go there and wait, he is talking to another mentee, then your turn comes, as you start the meeting, you see the anotehr mentee waiting for you to finish the meeting... so Eric Ho is in a rush to see you off. Hence, advices are given on the spot... He even forgets the last conversation you've had with him and repeats many comments / feedback that was given in the last appointment, as he sees all the mentees + new followers (to sign them up for his program) on that day... the new followers are far more important to him as they are a potential leads for another 12k per person and since we've already paid our fees and locked in the contract... we are a less priority for him. He forgets the action plan you had discussed with him in the last meeting and its clear that he cannot keep track of all his mentees seeing one after another after his long 2-3 days seminar event... He is very tired and gives you generic marketing advice. And when you make progress or need some suggestions from Eric Ho, our "mentor", he is out out of the country, somewhere overseas, posting videos from the beach about his luxurious lifestyle, flying business class flights and showing off his latest branded watch! and you are there stuck and unable to contact him or in the best case you receive a messages on Wats App. And that’s all...
 
You wait for him to return, but then you see another video from another part of the world, again, marketing himself and his seminars, and his new gadgets or a catchy video title and image of him and his latest girlfriend. Talking about his girlfriend.. he keeps using them in his video, to get likes and views, then after a year or so, there's a new girl and the old one is never seen again! And his new girlfriends are the seminar audience! At this time you start to doubt if Eric is serious about business. A true business man, a mentor should be there for you and know and care abot your business as much as you do.... not posting 5 videos, and 10 selfie a day! Think about it people.. his mind is occupied by social media posts and videos, and all he wants is NEW leads so he can generate additional fees... once you have paid, you are yesterdays newspaper to him..... You true business personnel dont act like this i.e. Fortune 500 companies executives, FTSE 250 leaders don’t act like a child showing off their new toys on a social media with his cars, watches, house etc.. Its unbearable as you begin to wonder that your payment is actually funding his lifestyle and his latest gadgets, and you are cant even reach him!
 
You begin to wonder and talk to other mentees and they all feel the same but no one dares to confront him as he is "so nice" and always so "positive" talking about "motivational stuffs", a sage, guru, who acts like one of those religious cult figures that brain washes people and builds up followers for his ulterior motive. The key here is, get likes and shares from Facebook, Insta, YouTube etc.. then get them to attend the seminar and then use classical sales technique i.e. "one day offer only" and sign them up for 12 months contract, where you can only ask for refund within 7 days (terms) and its impossible to know that you wont get any value within 7 days, so now you are locked in the contract and if you miss payment, Eric Ho and John Lee (Wealth Dragon) will send you red letter to take you to Debt Recovery and send bailiff to your house... and they have in-house lawyers workling for them, who emails you warning you of the consequences.... then you get worried and also have no time to go to the court and pay additional fee to solicitors not knowing you might lose more money because you have signed the contract... so you keep quite and pay the 12k!!! "Its numbers game" as they say... for example, get 100 likes and views, from that, get 20 people to seminar, then get 1 person to sign up and lock in 12 months contract... thats 12k! Now multiply this by few hundreds and thousands, then there you have it.. About 30-40 mentees a year, plus now "UP SELL" their other products, i.e. Public speaking, Forex, Property investments, Heath & Fitness, Spiritual mind etc.... thats their game! And make you bankrupt!!
 
By the way, if you want to learn Public Speaking, then just join your local Toastmasters club, where you will only pay between £50-£60 for 6 months!! with every 2 x weeks meetings, it will cost you more or less the same price of a coffee/tea per meeting. Toastmasters is everywhere, almost in every country. I have now completed almost my 10th speech. One thing about Public speaking is, its not a skill you obtained by attending a weekend or week long training that Eric Hor and John Lee is offering.. you must attend regularly every 2-3 weeks, even if you miss some meetings (that don't matter), to develop your skills. It's developed and built over time - not by attending short trainings on weekends or week-long program paying thousands of pounds/dollars. So dont be fool, don't pay Eric Hor and John Lee. Public speaking skills is like any other skills you learn, whether sports, or your regular exercise. If you stop going to gym for few months... what happens? Same with public speaking... you must attend regularly for at least 6-months to a 1-year.. then you develop skills + see other speakers do it, which you will pick up subconsciously, and when you step up to do your speech.. you will naturally exhibit skills (that you had picked up by watching other speakers on a regular basis by going to these meetings).. also, for every speech, you are given a detailed guide, as to how to structure it i.e. bullet points, linking between these points, and how to put a capturing opening and conclusive closing of your speech. You will also learn how to use body language, vocal variety, include research information in some speeches, which really helps professionals wanting to do great presentation for their work etc. And you become better at it, over time. You can never learn this over a weekend intensive course or week long course. Once you go through the Toastmasters club, the process will stay with you forever - just like driving a car or bike. So save you money from these fraudsters and join Toastmasters International club, which has nearly 16,000 clubs worldwide. You will also learn to take leadership roles as these two skills go hand in hand. Check out: toastmasters.org and click on "Find a club".
 
Eric Ho uses uses a traditional sales technique as he takes you through an emotional ride by sharing his stories, and others stories, and then says that he wants to work with "entrepreneurs" and he is looking to "invest" in the right business and "collaborate" with them, and this makes you feel like signing up to his mentorship, and it could perhaps, provide that opportunity to launch your business. With that mindset, he lures you towards him and when he offers the "1-day only" sales offer, at the end of the seminar to sign up, you do it! But there is no plan, no accountability, no real business expertise provided, except FULL of motivational stuffs, which you can nowadays watch on YouTube and feel the same or better. All you get is his regular get together for dinner and drink (which you have to pay yourself btw), and again, his posts on YouTube video promotions with all the mentee group for marketing to show what a good time we are having. Who will rant or show sad face on the video (live)?
I was in a group, where there was single mothers and some of them borrowed money from their parents to sign up to Eric's mentorship so she can make her business successful. She promised to pay back to her parents but it never happened as her parents passed away, before she could make any money. And Eric didn't even share the 50% profit that she had generated through her sales i.e. webinar sign-up consulting therapy work, after getting some leads from one of the webinar Eric had sets up. It takes her 3 months to get her 50% share. She even cried in one of our meet ups and shared her story. Another lady, Psychologist, that signed up, she spoke on the Eric's stage few times, she was very happy, got her to give him fantastic testimonial, she changed her title to "international speaker", and time goes fast... soon it was 12-months and she was crying in one of Eric's seminar at the back stage because it only hit her that she hasn't made her money back but paid 12k! Eric saw her cry, he knew WHY! as others try to sooth her, but he went on the stage and did his gig! There was no remorse nor any sympathy...... yet he acts like he feeds those childred in Kenya! Oh by the way, it was told that this charity is not his set up... it was existing orphanage and they would work with anyone that give them donation and you can put that in your business as a social enterprise business. And why wouldn't they accept donation for such purpose?
 
Another mentee, similar type of business, didn't get anything i.e. 50% commission, so he stopped asking after few times and completely dis-engaged with Eric and stopped talking completely after about 6-months in the program.
 
Eric lied to another mentee suggesting that he will use his product in his existing business to collaborate with him and launh his product in his YoYo Noodles bars, which Eric supposedly owns. He signed up to it, but it never happened and when he asked to Eric about it, after few months of developing a product and brand, Eric simply said that he had already sold his noodle franchise business. So he can't help him! However, it turned out to be a plain lie as Eric still owned the business and he was participating in Franchise trade shows later that year. He still owns this YoYo Noodle franchise and can be easily seen in Google search.
 
Another mentee couldn't afford the fees, so she was called by their staff called Marcos from Wealth Dragon, a big spanish bull dog that looks like a bouncer but acts like a motivational guru himself until you miss 1-payment! He acted like a bully when she didn't pay on time and this mentee, was already in debt and Marcos advised her to take loans from her credit cards as she would easily recoup that money anyway from the program, and when she was unable to keep up the payment to Eric, after few months, she was instantly kicked out without any notice and blocked from the Wats App and Facebook group. That’s when we saw the real Eric Ho.., not so nice and kind as he appears to be on the stage and videos and showing off his charity work in Kenya... Oh yeah, once you are mentee, you will get a "special deal" to volunteer and go to Kenya with him to do this charity work and the price you pay on a special deal is much more expensive than you would have booked a ticket and accomodation and gone by yourself... Another "upsell" like his books, like the upcoming seminar tickets, some "hero" seminar, but the principal is same.. motivation and emotional roller coaster stories and "upsell" another product.. there were few guys who finished all their savings by keep buying into these programs.. One nurse lady, single, in her 50s, spent more than 30k in all of their seminars, combined with, mentorship, forex, property, public speaking etc.. all her life time saving, all that over time she did.... tut tut.
 
There is nothing special or no real expertise offered in business by Eric Ho because all the advice is generic and 90% are motivational. And since all motivational in YouTube videos are sourced from Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich book and the Power of Law of Attraction book etc. The 99% of the motivational gurus use these techniques to elaborate and explain their stories and persuade and convince audience to excite and take action.. And take action you will, by paying £12,000 for 1-year of generic advice and about 5 to 7 appointment with him (since he is out of the country more than half of the year giving seminars)... so how can you meet him possibly even if you want to........ Have you ever noticed that 99% of his previous mentees are completely out of the picture or out of touch after 1-year... ever wonder why? Because it finally sinks into them that it was all bullsh!t and they lost their money! Deep down inside in their heart, they know they lost their money, and there was nothing they could do after 7-day no refund policy!
 
If you, readers, want a motivation then I suggest you go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who revolutionized this game. And it is unfair how Eric Ho and John Lee do it... because they excite audiences through emotional story telling method, where their seminars are held for 2-3 days, long hours, deliberately making the audience tired and making it harder for us to think clearly and decide carefully, and prompting audience to say "yes" to many of rhetorical questions and multiples "hi5" among audiences and then encourage audience by stating they want “joint venture”, “partnerships” with only few select entrepreneurs and the offer is for "today only" sale price, and saying how Eric is only looking for only few partners only so its not for everyone (making it sound exclusive)! And he only wants few mentees only because he already has few of them already... That makes it exclusive and people sign up..... but after few months in the next seminar, he says the same thing and sign more mentees... and from different countries and it all becomes one big "social" group... hence, he loses track in 1 to 1 meetings of your progress and business plan.... and offers motivational advices only.
 
The contract states that you cannot ask for refund after 7-days but its hard to know, for anyone, within 7-days, what value you are getting esp. when the guy is flying around the world giving seminars when, ideally, you want a business mentor that can support you and give your advice in the time of need and hardship, not while he is posting videos of his latest gadget and business flight travels, which you, the mentees, had funded!! The irony is that, Eric present himself as the best son in the world to his parents, giving his father and mother a luxury watches and presents, when his parents, DONT know that its funded by these mentees who have worked hard to save up their money all their life and are paying £12,000! And some have really struggled to put that money together. I recall after a day or two of the seminar, both John Lee and Eric Ho, challenges the audience to see if they can raise money from their banks, friends and families and challenges everyone to make phone call during lunch break and see how much they can possibly raise…… during that day, it stays like that…. But its only until tomorrow or last day, when the offer for the “sale price for today only” is given and subconsciously the audience feels confident to take this offer because they were able to get loans or friends/family were willing to lend them a day before... see the trick??? These guys are experts, professionals in stealing your money!!! Vipers! Snakes! A bad name to Chinese/ Oriental community! A rotten tomatoes in the basket affecting all.
 
They are not different to those gurus, cult leaders, who builds followers and eventually brainwashes then and manipulate them.. its same technique! Eric Ho and John Lee builds followers from YouTube videos showing off gadgets, good lifestyle and happy mentees videos then you end up going to their seminar and hearing their well crafted and devised speeches, do activities, and make you feel they are great people, a guru and then challenging you to raise the money (from friends and family) then hooking you to buy their “sale price for today only” products. And to suck more out of you, there are many upsell in the pipeline...!
 
I saw many old ladies, retired ones, in their 60s running at the back of the room to sign up for a “LIMITED PLACES” only offers – without reading any terms and conditions! Some were signing up for Forex to use their special trading method to make unlimited amount of money whilst trading for half an hour a day! A pictures are shown of people being happy and drinking coffee and trading and making money! I think I should tell my investment banker friend in Canary Wharf to bring all their banker friends and his bosses and learn to trade so they can make all the money in the world in half an hour.... they don't have to invest millions in their sophesticated softwares that trades in micro-seconds and are competing with other banks and institutional investors!! No offence, but what do these retired ladies do to out-beat the investor bankers that uses latest tools, softwares, factors in speculations, world economy, politics, wars, currency fluctuation etc. etc.. Many of these ladies are old enough to be Eric's and John's mother! No mercy, no remorse! One mentee was charged double the normal price because she asked for 6-months extension in the mentorship, and she could not say anything about it..... but she shared her disappointment with us in the group.
 
Please people save your money, and if you are really need inspiration to do business then know one thing for sure...... all these types of motivation seminars are almost bullsh!t! If not ask any real business leaders from Fortune 500 or FTSE 250 companes...... and they will tell you what it really takes, and how competitive, dog eat dog world is out there...... thus the motivation part is only 5% of the business, the other 95% is pure hard work, grit, effort and sleepless nights......... to make it successful. Even that doesn't guarantee it! Almost every industry and sector have very high competition and innovations are quite rare, infrequent, and mainly big companies that invests heavily in Research & Development create it.... The money you need to invest to start the business costs almost double than your initial projection, and it takes twice a long than expected. You are alone, often questioning your own insanity at times, friends almost misunderstands you.... and once you have built your product or brand, then only you realise, you need more money to market it... and without marketing, there is no exposure and no one knows about it... so when you factor it all, the 12k you paid Eric Ho for motivation, was the money that you could have used for building your own business and marketing it...... now you are more broke than before and lack of money de-motivates and stops you from continuing to work on your start-up business. So not only Eric Ho has stolen your money but he has killed your dreams!
 
Please note, motivation gives you energy for temporary time only, maybe a month or two, then you go back to “default” that have built in you since your childhood! So how can one-off 2/3 days seminar change your “default”? It’s like trying to change a habit overnight. Can you? So, you can only change your “default” by consistently grinding through hard times and persevering and pushing through rejections and hard times... and having insatiable desire and hunger to succeed.. thus, only only few makes it? But if you need motivation, just go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who is probably best in the business. Not liars and hypocrite like Eric Ho and John Lee.
 
And if you really need mentor, you need go to real experts, which you can easily find on LinkedIn, industry publications, and surely you won’t have to pay 12k!!! You need experts from the industry you want to specialise in, and have contacts and networks with industry leaders, and can help you to raise finance, and be focused in you as much as you are working on your business, they push you, ask you hard questions, even gives you hard times and sometimes you hate him/her but after getting the results you want... you respect them! Thats the kind of mentor you want... what will Eric Ho and John Lee tell you? Motivate you? what about rest of the 95% grit. They hardly talk about it.. Can they introduce you to any Venture Capitalist? or Private Equity firm or Financial Institutions? Those professionals dislike motivational speakers and don’t even allow them in their circle, believe me! If you want join prestigious business clubs in London, check out London's Capital Club, Club house london, De Amstel Club, etc... and these clubs dont allow motivational gurus, if they find out they are trying to sell seminars or books etc, they are booted out! some clubs asks for your business’s revenue before joining... And these are the clubs where PE firms, VC, bankers, advisory firms i.e. 'Big 4' and 'Magic circle' professionals hang out! This is where you meet real business contacts! This is where you need to be, so they can pull you up to their bracket... not someone who is in your bracket and you have to pay 12k! Motivational gurus like Eric and John wont be allowed near that circle. They will be a laughing stock! Eric and John is just trying to ride off what Tony Robbins have achieved. He is one-off! I remember they said they want to go IPO on stock market! A motivational seminar company on stock market? In which security exchange? In Mars? What investment bank will represent them? In fact, their business is not sustaible in long term because anyone can be a motivational speaker with NLP courses and reading 100s of motivational books out there... you dont need any qualification! Thus, they are all over the YouTube now and ERic Ho and John Lee is getting competition, whether they like it or not!
 
So, find real expertise who can link you to bankers, lawyers, accountants, leading marketer, entrepreneurs.. NOT motivational speakers that post videos flashing their bling bling 3-5 times a day like a teenager! In fact, its so immature! I mean, Eric is like in his mid-30s and his girlfriend Marta (white girl) was a seminar attendee and Eric dumped his then girlfriend Jamie for Marta. And before Marta, the left Jamie for another attendee, her name is Trinity. But when she found out Eric was dating another seminar attendee Anna (with blond hair) she dumped him! All these girls pictures are in his FB, Insta, if you go back time... What’s sad is that Jamie still works for him, H Akademy, and have to face Eric and his new girlfriend... And Eric Ho has the heart to face her everyday with his new girlfriend in the same place. Its all over their social media... its sad! But that should tell you the credibility of the guy that you have to pay 12k!! Of course, I only came to know this all after a 1-year mentorship program and Eric was publicly (In Wats App group) arguing and fighting with another girl called Jadey, who worked for him but she left after realising everything...
A challenge will be find out how well his mentees have done in their business, besides the YouTube video testimonials, since they had taken up his program.. its hard to know their revenuce increase after few months of the program, so their company's financial statement before and after the program should be compared and validated.. Of course no one would do that... Any previous mentees up for that challenge? Well all his mentees disappear after 12 months and new arrivals are excited and buzzing every year… until they cool off at the end of the year, get kicked out from Wats App and FB group……… I hope some of those new mentee reads this and realises how it works with these con artists... Eric Ho is a fraud!
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